No Understanding, Either Way
Searle's Chinese Room. A person who doesn't read Chinese sits inside, following a rulebook. A card comes in. The rulebook says which card goes back out. Same card in, same card out, every time — that's what makes it deterministic.
Searle's Chinese Room. A person who doesn't read Chinese sits inside, following a rulebook. A card comes in. The rulebook says which card goes back out. Same card in, same card out, every time — that's what makes it deterministic.
Series: INFO 7375 — Prompt Engineering & Agentic AI Topic: INFO 7375 · CHAPTER 1, PART 1 — STOCHASTIC PARROTS
CHAPTERS
0:00 Introduction 0:23 Introduction 1:42 Your Turn
YOUR TURN
Your turn. Find a claim you've heard called "just [an older idea], again." Locate the newer source's own words about the older one — not a summary of a summary.
Check: does it name the older claim? Does it answer it, extend it, or quietly ask a different question? Read the actual sentence, not a paraphrase of it. That's the whole method this film
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Part of the INFO 7375 — Prompt Engineering & Agentic AI series.
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What this video covers
- 0:00 — Introduction
- 0:23 — Introduction
- 1:42 — Your Turn
Transcript
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Introduction
[0:00] Ola, this is Liam in forbear. People say the stochastic parrot argument is just the Chinese room run with noise. It's closer than that dismissal makes it sound and further than the same argument makes it sound. Two terms Chinese room. Sirill's 1980 thought experiment. A person follows rules to match symbols with no access to what they mean and form the observable shape of language, not what it means. Sirill's Chinese
Introduction
[0:24] Room. A person who doesn't read Chinese sits inside following a rulebook. A card comes in. The rulebook says which card goes back out. Same card in, same card out every time. That's what makes it deterministic. The person produces fluentl looking replies, but nothing in the room ever touches what the symbols mean. Only their shape. Sirill's target does following rules, however well, ever cross from shape to meaning. Decades later, Bender and Coller don't reject that room. They make it bigger. Not just the person following rules at runtime. The whole process that built the rule follower can a system that only ever sees form learn meaning however it's trained. Picture an octopus tapping an undersea cable between
Two people learning which words follow which extremely well fluent eventually but the octopus has never touched what any of those words refer to. One argument serial does rule following at runtime ever amount to understanding. The other can learning from form alone ever acquire meaning deterministic rule book or stochastic ranking it doesn't matter. Same verdict, no bridge to meaning. Asked at two different points. Here's the check worth running yourself. One retelling of this claim. The newer paper explicitly rejects the older one. Sourced to a blog about the paper. Reading the paper itself turns up the opposite. It invokes Sirill's room by name and extends it. The blog wasn't the paper. Your turn. Find a claim you've
Your Turn
[1:44] Heard called just an older idea. Again, locate the newer source's own words about the older one, not a summary of a summary. Check. Does it name the older claim? Does it answer it, extend it, or quietly ask a different question? Read the actual sentence, not a paraphrase of it. That's the whole method this film just ran on itself. No understanding either way at Nick Bear Brown.
